i don't know. >> what happened in texas, ferdman told us, should stay in texas. >> because i was facing 99 years and i chose to, you know, pick a much smaller sentence without any of it because, you know, i could have a much worse -- but there was no fraud and there was no record of it in any way. it's a very long story. >> how could you say that? that was a huge case in austin, texas, statewide, actually. >> that's what they tried to build it, but -- and that's why they pursued it, but it wasn't what it seems and what they said it was. >> could you tell me real quickly how you left texas and decided to come here and get into this business? how easy or hard was that? >> i don't want to talk about it right now so -- >> with such apparent widespread fraud in the program, former supervisor joy jarfers says it's not just taxpayers being cheated. >> i'm not the employee anymore that has to look at this every day, but i'm a taxpayer that knows this is going on and it angers me, and there's story after story after story about medicaid dollars being cut from people who need the services. >> wel